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Yet another American megachurch is immersed in accusations of wrongdoings. This was a many time thing. And I hadnt I hadnt signed that yet, I hadnt given a statement yet. Ugh. So if you cant say anything, I mean, again, hes dismissive of the actual letters. This is not my judgment but that of his elders from HBC. Guest Bios Show Transcript Many times, those who have experienced spiritual abuse are retraumatized when they try to speak about whats happened. No, it wasnt edited. And I, the next day, I wrote and said, Well, okay, I respect your wishes. So thats why I think its so important to get the truth out there and to just keep speaking the truth. I mean, here he is in Haiti, thats just been wracked by an earthquake, unbelievable poverty and devastation. We dont know what it would look like tomorrow. Thank you for loving the Church and the Lord God Almighty, to take the hard but righteous way rather than the hard way. I just know I got them. So what happened? Malachi 2:16 has been harmfully interpreted & practiced based on twisted translations, Malachi 2 clearly talks about husbands dealing treacherously w their wives these husbands are the ones who hate and divorce 16 The man who hates and divorces his wife, says the Lord, the God of Israel, does violence to the one he should protect, says the Lord Almighty. 2. Wives submit to your husbands. How come its always wives submit to your husbands and never husbands love your wives? Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. Yeah. I felt physically sick reading the letter. Gary, If not, youre probably looking at what Paul latter in the chapter describes as an immature child. MacDonald notes in the email that about a month after the settlement, he was able to write to recipients of the email. No One Knows. And I looked at it, and I could not read the whole letter in one sitting. The elder board is still in the dark. Hed been the senior pastor the whole time. year. I remember as a young pastor first hearing about James at a 2002 Moody Pastors Conference and reading his well written book on hermeneutics with an apologetic leaning and being blessed from his book. For more information just go to Judsonu.edu/visit. To donate, click here. So its critically important that the truth be told. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? And I checked my voicemail. It was demonic. It was the elders failure. And Im just grateful that finally, the board, open their eyes. Now, now James is saying, oh, Mancow edited this to say something that it really didnt say. And then if you could, please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. I need to repent. Dan resigned from the Harvest elder board in March 2019, calling for reform. He says, Well, for when I kept silent my bones wasted through my groaning all day long for day and night, your hand was heavy upon me. He would probably be wildly successful. I know a lot of people look at this. You know, they asked him as an executive committee member and the elder board chairman. The audio recording that the elders reference was aired on popular Chicago radio personality Mancow Muller's show.Muller, once a trusted friend and confidant of MacDonald and also a member of Harvest Bible Chapel, has used his platform recently to call the pastor out on his less-than-exemplary handling of his critics. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. We dont know how much the top people at Harvest make. Thats thats a much harder relaunch. Because Im not a quiet guy in meetings. . The devil is at work. The man does not make the ministry., God [emailprotected]. And everybody had to say, right? Other posts decried abortion, transgenderism, and Christians who are apolitical or nice.. James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, who's a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. Both are true. On Thursday, the seventh, I got a text from one of the elders who said, Call me if you can before such and such a time. And I said, I understand that. Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Part II, Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Escaping & Healing from Abusive Churches, Part 2. And this is when everything really started happening. Should have that should have been enough of enough of a clue for me to say, Wait, wait, wait, thats a check. Pastor James will provide answers in upcoming featured video posts. Its a reference to sex magik and the leaders have given a hat tip to their god right in the church name. And then immediately after I felt that relief, I thought of Betsy Corning. There were six people who were brave enough, vulnerable enough to write letters. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. You know, Ive been here the whole time. Dr. John Street, the head of counseling at MacArthurs The Masters University, takes a harder line. The senior pastor at my church moved into town in 2014, and bought a home in proximity to the church for $260,000. Im sorry, before a so called board.removes a man of God they must first consider the fruit of his ministry. Yes, and I would add that baked into the command for husbands to love their wives is the definition of love in 1 Corinthians 13. And that was the day that Mancow Muller aired these excerpts. I dont know how many people had heard of it. And I gotta tell you, the people of Harvest, the people who were there before, the people who were still there, were so forgiving. Well, Dan, like I said, on an earlier podcast that I had with Mancow Muller, I was hoping to be done with James McDonald and reporting on Harvest months ago. Im sad for his fall. Church, Ministry News And I hope I hope that a lot of people have read that and they dont owe me anything, but I hope its been healing to them. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! We can put it up on the Harvest site, and Ill read it to the congregation on Saturday night. And you got all of them. And, and the drama begins. We did not hurry. And they were praying in earnest this entire time. From the overflow of your heart your mouth (and thumbs) are speaking. And I just felt this incredible weight. My husband really appreciates James McDonalds preaching against my better judgement I told him about the new messagesso we have the Advent message from his Home Church network cast to the TV I had planned to leave the room so I didnt have to watch it I have to tell you he sounds sincere (without wax) I find the whole situation so heart breaking and confusing. Whoever said the dumbest thing had to take off an, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation. Charles, Of it could be that shes been taken in by him. And learn how MacDonald almost escaped being exposedand how six scathing letters that revealed MacDonalds true nature almost failed to reach the elder board. Literally more than two dozen people. I did not cover my iniquity. And welcome to the podcast. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. How do spot a safe pastorand can. Hi. However, MacDonald texted me an invitation to appear with him in a public forum to answer for the many many lies Ive reportedly written about him. And this was a spiritual battle. Again, thanks so much for joining me today. A strong woman with a weak husband will become a toxic woman. And you have James McDonald coming in, from the United States, getting off the plane for a little bit, doing a few meetings, which I guess he complained about doing. Marin, And all of the elders should resign and repent for what they did. So he was fired. It was a conference call because it happened fast. But he starts arguing process. If the church wants to regulate marriage, let them say you cant get remarried in their church if you are already married in the eyes of the church. Five of the six have been published. Its loving to give medicine to a sick patient, and its loving to speak the truth to a deceived person.. James MacDonald and His Earlier Attacks on Julie Roys. So Im deeply grateful for their faithful support. Youre better off reading the Bible at home with your cat. I remember that too. You do that, and hope that the person will repent, and that they will turn and that therell be restoration. And I got the text. Thats what meeting and when youre in a conference called and youre making a decision like that, every elder everybody on the meeting on the call had to make right had the voice be asked any question you have. I shouldnt be doing this. To myself, I said, and do our job. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Vernick, however, believes abuse is grounds for divorce. uterus or clean out a womb after a stillbirth (because these treatments are labeled abortions, and even that word brings out comments like yours). And I, I look back at those meetings that I was just describing, Julie, I dont I dont say this lightly. The elder board of Harvest Bible Chapel formally apologized to independent journalist Julie Roys and several former members, months after joining founder James MacDonald in a defamation lawsuit accusing them of publishing false information about the church's management and finances last fall. I at least heard of it from somebody by that point. When I entered my UCC church-sponsored college, I figured out why. And we talk about that Scripture and quote it over and over again. Think Ill go preach at my cat nowhe has huge ears & better discernment than those willfully cowering in the open cage of the corporate state-church. While we were doing that, I was in my office at home. *Correction: A previous version of this story incorrectly reported that Visconti and Generation Church had deleted their social media accounts. And whats so tough in this whole thing is that there are wolves among the sheep. It is grounds for separation but not divorce., This view is popular in fundamentalist Christian circles. Ryan Visconti, the Arizona pastor platforming discredited celebrity preacher James MacDonald is attracting attentionnot just for his new partnership, but also his provocative social media posts about women and marriage. . We had to deal with it. This wasnt anything else. How can a husband love his wife as Christ loved the church when he is emotionally, mentally, physically, and sexually abusive? But this is a story that just is not going away. And she immediately said, Ill write a letter. Why did you think it was important to own not just who James McDonald was, and not just point the finger at him. I didnt know these things were going on, but Im so sorry. I think of a few things Julie. I wish I didnt. He had joined, I think a year into, into Harvests history. Because Julie, I knew that, even if Id gotten the chance to read it in front of Harvest, which would have been really hard, but would have been healing to people. And when he sees he cant save it, it sounds like then he was trying to lobby for being able to resign, and a lot of emotional manipulation being used that weekend from from what youve told me. And this is this was this was hard, but at the end of the night, we talked through it, we shared things from the letters. Its almost like he got a bit weird with elephant conference and his new ministry associations as he left the Gospel Coalition and jumped into the Prosperity group. But according. However, you did sign a letter of unconditional support. According to his email, MacDonald has been able to hire a small staff and encouraged people to sign up for his Home Church Networkvideo messages for people to use in a home church. I totally get the emotion that you must have felt because I felt it, too. You dont know how I got ahold of them. He scared me in bible college I wanted nothing to do with him. I wrote back to her, and I apologized to her. No one takes joy in doing this. Why is that? And my wife, my wife and I looking at each other and going are we really doing this? Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Tell Harvest Church board hows the fruit now? (Julie Roys) Eight years ago, prominent author and pastor, John MacArthur, strongly warned the Moody Bible Institute about its association with now-disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald. No One Knows. Hes not qualified. I certainly am no Bible scholar. And again, this was on the churchs dime. I remember praying before the Harvest Elgin campus as a garage, and its a former corporate space. Christians should stop feeding these people. First he used to walk up and down the isles and second it was a bit more exegetical than primarily exhortation based and those dynamics flipped. So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. . Its phrased to make you feel morally superior. . He should sell cars or computers. I still dont understand all sides of the transgender issue, but can say 2 things: 1. And he conspired with these staff to bring these letters because they all just were out to get James. And were like, boy, I hate to say this, but that just felt demonic. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Our marriage improved incredibly after we both agreed that neither one of us was Jesus. I think there was a group in the in the room that would have let him have the microphone that weekend. What Happens Now? Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. I agree. So I mean, again, this was round. This is a story that directly contradicts what MacDonald published in recent videos and statements on his webpage. There would be no Roys Report without Judson University. Jacob Ross, all the credit card that James used for personal expenses. I had, of course, people from Harvest who had heard it, sending me sending me clips. Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a "pattern of sinful behavior," James MacDonald is preaching at Generation Churchan Association of Related Churches (ARC) megachurch in Mesa, Arizona. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! The Asbury Revival Is Over. Ive already told you there was consensus from board. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Julie. Because when you report on this for months, you feel the pain of the people that are involved. Again, she was the the wife of Dave Corning who was an elder at Harvest for over 20 years, and telling her stories, and one of her stories was you know about pictures of her being put up on a on a wall as a target practice for James McDonald and her seeing this shot up with a pellet gun. But one of the circumstances hes talking about, hes talking about something specific where Id stood up for him in a meeting years ago. (God) says, the prudent see danger and take refuge. I just thought, yeah. How about it James McDonald and John MacArthur (and the like), how about it? Theres no joy in doing this. And there were a number in the room who were looking at I Timothy 5, thats for those who persistence sin rebuke them in the presence of all so that the rest may stand in fear. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while. It was in the very, very early days of its launch. And with that opening, I felt like it was confirmed. I see that as just simply implicating a larger group and a conspiracy to use church money for stuff that was never intended. "Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald": Julie Roys' Response February 12, 2019 Cherie Vandermillen [Julie Roys] I never thought I would hear an evangelical, mega-church pastor talk about planting child pornography on the computer of an executive at a Christian publication. Julie, are you saying that you support trans mutilation/murder of pre-born children/and are against conservatives? There is a solution for our sin in Scripture. But its a story that needs to be toldand rememberedgiven that MacDonald is trying to relaunch his ministry in Chicago. I dont know whether its the way way down or the way back Id have to reread the letter, but I mean, they stopped and went to the DR,. Receive E-Devotionals and Ministry Updates. And I knew that I needed to do something publicly. And I thought, well, I got to read the letter. I said, Sandy, Im so sorry, for what happened on my watch. I acknowledge my sin to you. The way James MacDonald is said to have treated others while pastor of Harvest and the way he behaves on Twitter dont seem to be in keeping with the way the New Testament says we should behave. He wasnt bringing it to the elders and through a discussion with a couple of the pastors, chose to give it to the elders, which we were thankful for. He knows! And many who have followed this story know what James McDonald has done. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. And everyone who stayed just drank the Kool-Aid. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. He also advertised an upcoming GrampCampan overnight retreat providing training and tools for grandparents to connect with their grandkids. Thats what the weight was. And yet so many still have not and still waiting for James McDonald to do that. Send your questions about the Bible, ministry, or personal matters below. It didnt sit right with me when I heard about it, that the church was suing you, and the Mahoneys, and the Bryants. Tragically . Thank you for taking the stand that you did. That way youll never miss an episode. I dont see that as absolving James McDonald. And I know its cost you personally. So quick to forgive and people were giving me hugs the next night. I had all the letters at that point. Thats a Tuesday night. So Rick was, in effect, the Assistant senior pastor. The Roys Report reached out to MacDonald with questions about the email, which he would not answer on the record. If this passage defines what a strong husband looks like, I think most of the issues take care of themselves. And and its sad to me other than when they did finally, the former elders apologize for the lawsuit that was brought against me. Judson University is shaping lives that shape the world. Following allegations of years-long bullying and financial misconduct, the lead pastor and executive team of an Association of Related Churches (ARC) megachurch, Everyone was laughing and goading, like it was a jokeuntil it wasnt. . Julie can and has spoken for herself, but I must speak up against loaded questions like this. They said no, for various reasons. And if he doesnt, what does that mean in terms of employment at Harvest Bible Chapel? What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James MacDonald? Because if he resigns, he gets up in front of the church, gets to spin things, and, you know, can probably relaunch somewhere else. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Like wow! I believe it was from Mancow who texted me. And youre going to hear all about what happened in those meetings and the strong arm tactics that McDonald used to try and get his way. He was in Walk in the Word studios apparently, and said some really vile things, including, you know, joking about putting child porn on a computer, joking about me having an affair with a Christianity Today editor, which has no basis in fact whatsoeve. Today the guys share their conversation with journalist, author, and speaker Julie Roys. It was a battle in the natural but more than that, there was a spiritual battle going on then, and I think its still going on now. And he opened the meeting, looking at me and said, I know what youre going to do, and the church is going to implode or blow up, and its going to be on you. So for Jim McDonald to say that he didnt remember like, Im not buying it, right? It was so much easier to read and understand. "I was sitting in the back seat. Great! A strong woman with a stronger husband will become an unstoppable, gracious, and capable woman. I was thrown out of the church we gave our lives to by a group of rogue leaders, MacDonald writes. And her being in my house and literally shaking as shes recounting. Okay. And then he apologized. And I sat and prayed. Well, because Scripture says you do it in front of everybody. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Later that night, or first thing you know, into the wee hours of the next morning, the communication was out to the people of Harvest, and it was over. Ryan Visconti, the Arizona pastor platforming discredited celebrity preacher James MacDonald is attracting attention . So if youre listening, you need and you havent read those letters, you need to go back and Dean Butters, I mean that one has to be just the emotional impact of the the bullying and the abuse, and then even a video where he mocked a very well known Christian leader because she was getting married in midlife for the first time and mocking her for never having sex before. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. It just seems that the church of the USA is a joke. Because I believe in the church. And at this point, the letters, what had happened with the letters? There were voices raised. And by the meeting that night, the executive committee came to the elder board with a unanimous recommendation, per the bylaws, that James McDonalds employment should be terminated for cause at that point. If hes ok with lying it places doubt on the gospel. Then, referencing his arbitration with Harvest, in which he won about $2.5 million, along with all digital and physical assets of Walk in the Word, MacDonald writes: When we won the arbitration and regained access to our teaching ministry, it was in shambleslike a model plane that had flown so beautifully, being returned with report of a crash, when in reality an envious child had dashed it against the rocks just out of sight.. Rather, its helping those in bondage find freedom. Maybe if the shoe was on the other foot and the men were the ones being abused we might hear them singing a different tune. Rick Donald said that that would make us the judge, the elders, if we had the letter. He was in the many meetings leading up to McDonalds termination. For narcissists, attracting attention is the point. But to tell people they have to stay in a situation of violence, trauma and harm, or return to it, this is not a core tenet of Christianity. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center to become dean, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation Churchan Association of, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while pastoring at Harvest, It has been said, Show me a persons checkbook and I can tell you what he cares about. Social Action, 1964 James MacDonald, the, Christian actor Kirk Cameron on Monday featured disgraced pastor James MacDonald as a guest on Camerons TBN Takeaways program on biblical illiteracy. MacDonald was fired, Mark DeMoss, a man described by Christianity Today as Evangelicalisms PR Guru and a former Liberty University trustee, is apparently spending time with two men, Its been more than two years since Harvest Bible Chapel fired James MacDonald for engaging in conduct . The leaders were brought together. Thank you Jesus, Amen. Gary Weigel, if you total all the expenses including vet bills, it might be more than a tithe. Like so many other cradle to present churched people, all I ever knew was the KJV Bible. I talked to other people who told me of demands that he made for private jets on numerous occasions. Divorce is a civil remedy that is necessary when there is abuse, physical, emotional, financial, or even when people are incompatible. 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